we basically have been operating without rules to build our economy up and now that we have gotten to the top we are trying to hamstring them or trying to tie them up with a nod of rules and regulations to hold china down. .. >> next, and anarchy recorded at university of pennsylvania and philadelphia, transport shares stories about her experiences on the united dates commission on civil rights set up by president eisenhower in 1957. this is about half an hour. >> host: well, on your screen now on booktv is a well-known face for c-span viewers, that is =tranfour, professor at university of pennsylvania and also via her of several books. read the university of pennsylvania to talk to her about this book, "and justice for all: the united states commission on civil rights and the continuing struggle for freedom in america" mary frances berry, when did the u.s. civil rights commission began? >> guest: the civil rightscivils commission began in 1957.. president eisenhower had a lot f discussions with john fostere dulles, secretary of state about the way the united states was ws seen around